Speculations: Audi S5 V8 Engine to be Downgraded to Supercharged V6

S6 to lose V10, R6 waits by the wings
by Thami Masemola
November 19, 2008 10:42 AM
Filed Under: Audi, German, Rumours

Naturally aspirated V8 power seems to be getting the shaft from more and more German powerhouses these days as automakers begin to grapple with high fuel prices and CO2 emissions. Audi is now said to be going the same route, starting with its S5 which currently enjoys a 4.2-litre V8 kicking out 260 kW (354 bhp) and peak torque of 440Nm.

However, S5 has not exactly set the scene on fire, not because it's a bad car, far from it. It's just a bit heavier than what it should be and takes in more fuel than rivals. So the new 3.0-litre supercharged V6 engine has been ordered to solve some of these issues. Lighter and charged, the powerplant is already in use in the S4 so next year S5 gets it as well. Inside Line was peculiarly told it will push out 245kW (329hp) which is clearly less than the 4.2 V8 numbers, however, a smaller engine with a force-feeder could produce better performance and fuel consumption figures under similar conditions.

Meanwhile, it is expected that S6 will ditch its normally aspirated V10 for a 4.2-litre biturbo, again, going with current rival trends. S8 will get the same treatment but higher power output, while the R8 goes RS6 way by taking a V10 biturbo for 2009. An R6 is rumoured as being developed as well, slotting nicely between the smaller R4 and R8. An Audi engineer has clearly stated his company is going after Porsche. Hopefully Porsche lets it.

 

Source: insideline
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Yay, downgrades!

by ShinyG | November 19, 2008 11:05 AM
I disagree with the article's title. The V8-to-V6 switch is downsizing, not downgrading.

by NaBUru38 | November 19, 2008 4:23 PM
I agree with Naburu, its not really a downgrade. Even if the "peak" power numbers are down if you look at the power distribution of the V6 supercharged it has more power than the outgoing V8 everywhere in the power band except at the last 500 RPMs. So there is actually more usable power on the V6. not to mention the weight savings it has should aid the car in its handling.

by madmatter | November 19, 2008 5:48 PM
If you want to know any of the stats just read the S4 brochure. It is almost certain they'll use that mill in the S5 - why the difference in the first place as the cars are identical underneath. According to Evo the S4 is a great drive too.

by bristol411s3 | November 19, 2008 11:06 AM
I just hope RS5 won't get a downgrade because it looks quite promising. Also I don't get the thing with the 3 different R models, why? Lets say the R4 is an MX5 rival, the R8 is a super car, what the R6 is? Btw, LOL at the Audi engineer.

by RussianMafia | November 19, 2008 11:43 AM
R4 will be based on the next generation Porsche Boxter, the current 4.2L 8-cylinder version of the R8 – a variant of the 10-cylinder Lamborghini Gallardo – competes to Ferrari F430 more directly. The rumored R6 will be almost certain to have a front-mid mounted engine configuration, which can be seen from the Lamborghini Estoque concept released earlier in Paris. R6 will be competing to Mercedes SL fairly directly, also to others like Jaguar XK, Ferrari California; thought the rear mounted gear box – similar to that on F599 GTB – is unlikely as a result of cost.

by Michael-Heinrich | November 19, 2008 1:30 PM
So the R4 will replace the TT, the and the R6 is a 2+2 seater sports car?

by RussianMafia | November 19, 2008 3:42 PM
Technically, R4 will only partly replace TT since the luggage space will surely be less useful than that of the original TT, even if there are two separate luggage compartments like on the current Boxster. Also the coupé (2+2) version of the current TT does not provide enough space for the rear seat passengers, even by the usual standard for a 2+2. However, the sale may even be higher than TT as a result of a psychological effect of consumers of this kind of products: they emphasis less on the luggage capability on their second cars and more on the handling, and this is usually the case for people purchasing TT, Z4, SLK, Boxster ect. The criticism of the passenger space can be easily eliminated if they simply do not provide a second row as on the Cayman (Boxster coupé). Furthermore, the slot can be filled by the next generation A3 which is expected to be sportier than the current one if you remember there is a Scirocco in VW range.

by Michael-Heinrich | November 20, 2008 4:38 AM
Michael-Heinrich, where did you get your information about all these models, I'm just curious, I tried asking a product planning person at Audi about the R4 and they said they had no idea about it. Maybe they were lying to me though, I hope that we see all these new R models, they should be superb. They did tell me however that the V8 is expected to stay in the S5 which I think is a good idea; the V8 makes that car so much fun to drive. They may be wrong about that though, or again not letting out any important information.

by xenomorph | November 20, 2008 12:56 PM
I hear there will also be an R5,R3, R1, A9, A7,A2 and a direct competitor to the bettle. Go get them Audi - go get Toyota.

by Wisp | November 19, 2008 12:01 PM
The New Beetle (belongs to the Kompaktklasse) is based on the 4th generation of Golf (the current Golf is the 6th generation, and I don’t mind if you argue that being the 5.5th generation). The New Beetle has never been designed as a sporty version of the Golf, though the design is quite dynamic; and Audi A3 is designed to be a bit sportier that the Golf. So actually there is no product from Audi serves as a direct variant of the New Beetle. The A1 is going to be competing directly to the Mini (a Kleinstwagen), and I think the “bettle” you mentioned is actually the Mini. The production of A2 has been ceased since 2005, and I don’t think the rumored R-line products include those odd numbered names. A7 will be a 4-door coupé based on the next generation A6, and competes directly to the Mercedes CLS. If there is a coupé version of the next generation A8, it could be called “A9”, but I can’t betya about that.

by Michael-Heinrich | November 19, 2008 1:54 PM
Stop being sarcastic wisp

by The_woo_factor | November 22, 2008 12:35 PM
Maybe they will....after they burp up BMW.

by uptohere | November 26, 2008 11:34 PM
Audi are going to keep the V8 for the RS5 and RS4 models.

by catchmyshadow | November 19, 2008 3:54 PM
it makes sense because the smaller engines are lighter and cheaper, however there will inevitably be turbo delay and the 4.2 v8 has so much potential it should be expanded upon, and it will be cheaper than having a range of different engines; the w12 should be replaced with the v10 as well, because only the a8 has used the w12 and the v10 is much better than the w12

by dbehmoaras | November 19, 2008 9:34 PM

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